In a prior life (I'm now an attorney based in Philadelphia) I used to
service soda machines. Not the kind which dispense cans/bottles.
Rather the ones that make carbonated water to mix with flavor in a
cup. Compressed CO2 gas at about a 1,000 psi is reduced to about
40psi into a steel container to which cold water (the colder the water
the better for the dissolving of CO2 into the water) (Carbon dioxide
is soluble in water, in which it spontaneously interconverts between
CO2 and H2CO3 (carbonic acid, Wikipedia) is added via strong motor
driven pump (Procon pump). When, the water is ejected into the cup
with flavor added, the pressure is released, the temperature rises and
the dissolved CO2 releases from the water via bubbling. Yes, you can
have CO2 as a liquid. It is a liquid at room temperature in a strong
steel tank at about 1000psi. You can even transfer it as a liquid
from tank to tank. (Very dangerous) Once the pressure is released,
the liquid will try to change state from a liquid to a gas. it will
"take" heat" from anything in order to use it to change state. I
would load a very large two story steel tank with solid CO2 (dry
ice). Seal the top. warm the tank with water along the outside which
the dry ice "uses" to change into a high pressure liquid. Then i
could attach a hose (obviously very, very strong) and connect smaller
tanks to the large one. Open the valves, While weighing the smaller
tank I could add about 30 lbs to the smaller tank to use in the soda
dispenser. To add a small amount of solid CO2 to a bottle could be
done with a little math. I suppose one could attach a balloon to the
top of a carbonated soda bottle. Measure the change in size of the
balloon as the soda warms and releases the dissolved CO2. Since solid
CO2 (dry ice) expands predictably, all you would have to do is work
backwards and add a small piece of dry ice weighing what you need to
dissolve into the cold water in the bottle to achieve that same
gaseous volume as was in the balloon.
Frankly, since i have been an attorney for the past 35 years, i might
be a tad rusty in my thoughts but this is pure math and physics.
Louis E. Slawe, Esq
Dear sir or madam,
I have just recently picked up the hobby of making sparking wine
(champagne). It requires taking a bottle of typical wine, putting it
into a thick walled champagne bottle, and adding a small amount of sugar
and fermenting yeast. The yeast will feed on the sugar and produce a
fair amount of carbon dioxide but since the bottle is capped off the gas
stays in the bottle. When the cork is popped, the gas bubbles off
through the liquid and when drank, gives that spritzy feeling associated
with sparkling wine.
Today, after researching about dry ice, I have come to the conclusion
that I can pour my finished wine into a bottle, drop a measured amount
of dry ice into the liquid, cap it quickly and wire down the cork.
After the dry ice is completely dissolved I should be able to open the
bottle, and drink it like any other sparkling wine. Since dry ice is
only a solid form of carbon dioxide gas I assume it will not pose any
health threat, I have read stories of people way back when they were
kids adding it to their homemade soda to make it fizzy.
The reason why I would find this approach to making a sparkling wine
more appealing is because when yeast re-ferments inside the bottle it
throws a deposit that looks like dust or sand and that deposit needs to
be "disgorged" out of the bottle before it can be drank or the flavor
will be ruined and the appearence will be cloudy. It is not that the
pressure is any less great than dry ice, the more sugar is added the
greater the pressure, thick glass champagne bottles can handle around 90
psi of pressure. While making my sparkling wine I am very serious about
safety and wear heavy clothes with a face shield while handling the
bottles and store them in an Igloo cooler while fermenting in the
unlikely case that one explodes. I plan to conduct an experiment with a
tiny amount of dry ice in sparkling wine bottles to better create the
drink I make. I wanted to pass the idea along for feedback and I will
contact you when I get some results.
-Andy
Hi there,
I have in fact made carbonated water within a closed container. I made it
by putting a small (tip of your thumb size) piece of ice into a plastic
pepsi bottle adding water (of course..) and loosely tightened the cap. This
needs to be done very carefully! I tightened the cap completely and shook
the bottle as hard as I could. This increases the surface area of the water
against the CO2 bubbles, thus helping the atmosphere within the bottle lower
in pressure by reaching equilibrium. (Wrapping a towel aroud the bottle will
keep you safe from any explosion..) Once all of the dry ice has evaporated,
the result will be (highly) corbonated water. Sometimes, if there is enough
CO2 dissolved into the water, fog will reappear.... Although I have done
this several times, the first time I did it the pepsi bottle exploded and
scratched my hand, but didn't result in shrapnel.. Just a small crack in the
bottle. If you want to try it though, rolling it up in a towel should do the
trick (safety-wise!)
-Harrison Frazier
Carbonated Chocolate Milk taste Great! But the Bubbles don't stop growing! A
good outside drink.
Strawberry Milk might look like Lava flow.
=DK
I used about a pea-sized piece of dry ice in a 2-liter bottle of home-
made strawberry wine. It was wonderful.
I did open the lid every so often to let any built-up gas escape, but I
think the tiny pea was okay. I pushed against the side of the bottle to
see how firm it was, and kept it in the refrigerator, and the wine was
cold to begin with. I think monitoring the firmness of the bottle would
be safe enough, as long as you started with such a small amount, and
never let it get very far. [I hadn't filtered the wine, so it did bubble
over when I opened it!]
Piet Van Allen
San Jose, CA
I was reading your article about dry ice and beverage carbonation. I found
that the Green "Perrier" half liter plastic bottles are very good at
resisting exploding and can build up a good amount of pressure. they are
good are resisting exploding and will explode given enough pressure so
always be careful. I dissected one and found that the bottle is made up of
two plastic layers, an outer green thicker plastic layer and an inner clear
thinner plastic layer. this unique design could explain why these bottle can
resist pressure. use a quarter sized chip of dry ice, filled the bottle half
way with ice cold water (ice cold water gives you more time to get away if
it does explode) and let it sit for one day. the next day do not squeeze the
bottle hard but if you do it will feel rock hard. do not drop it, throw it,
kick it, etc. be careful unscrewing the cap and point it away from your face
or anyone else. the water should be pretty carbonated. try longer time
exposures for different effects. once again these bottles can resist
pressure but they will explode, it is basically a bomb so be careful. FYI,
putting dry ice in a bottle and closing it is kinda illegal. This Email is
for informational use only. ; )
>From Dan,
Great Website!
I just wanted to tell you about an experience I had with dry ice. While
camping with my family one summer I thought how neat it would be to use dry
ice instead of bagged water ice to keep our food cool in our cooler. Dry ice
works very well, actually too well as it froze the milk, lettuce, meat and
grapes that were in out cooler. We chucked the lettuce but as it was a hot
day frozen grapes sounded really nice. To our surprise when you popped one
in you mouth they had a fizzy taste. We had carbonated our grapes! It was
really a neat accidental experiment. So as a future MG science teacher I
will add this to one of the aspects of my lesson plan when I talk about CO2
and dry ice.
Jim Hawlk
I have an interesting observation regarding the carbonation of drinks (for
which people have noted in your feedbacks you can do by adding dry ice). I
chaperoned for a family in Northumberland in 1999. They would shoot
pheasants and sorts. Being a science grad in chemistry I was intrigued by
this pump device they religiously put on all their soft-drink bottles in the
fridge. After taking a glass from the bottle you were meant to pump the
bottle back up with the pressure-pump lid that replaced its standard
capping. My mind wondered to partial-pressures. As I recall it, the
solubility of a gas in a liquid, across the liquid/atmosphere interface, is
directly proportional to the partial-pressure of its presence in the
atmosphere above the liquid interface. So for example if we have an
atmosphere of air (nitrogen/oxygen = 99.99%) above the soda-water then the
partial pressure of CO2 is close to Al Gore. Thus if you use this pump to
build up pressure in the bottle it would make absolutely no difference to
the partial-pressure of CO2 and thus absolutely no difference to the
fizziness of the drink. Thus this gadget (which fooled these oligarchs) was
a total patented scam? What you think?
Jake McCann
Hi Jake,
Thanks for pointing this out. Yes, adding air (at any pressure) to the headspace above a
soft drink does nothing to dissuade the CO2 from coming out. The
original seltzer bottles that had CO2 cartridges are what you need.
These fill the headspace with CO2, which then establishes an equilibrium
with the CO2 dissolved in the soda.
Q: Hey I was wondering how much dry ice is a pound thanks.
A: The molar mass of CO2 is 44 grams.
A pound is about 453.6 grams.
So a pound of dry ice is 453.6/44 = 10.31 moles of CO2
The Ideal Gas Law says PV=nRT
P = pressure
V = volume
n = number of moles of the gas
R = gas constant .082057 L atm / K mol
T = temperature of the gas
This allows you to calculate the volume
of the gas if you know the temperature, the pressure and the quantity of
gas.
Working in liters, atmospheres (of pressure), Kelvins (for temperature),
and moles (for quantity), then the gas constant "R" is .082057 L atm / K
mol.
If we use room temperature, about 293 Kelvins,
1 atmosphere of pressure,
and 10.3 moles (for your 1 pound)
we get V = nRT/P = (10.3)(.082057)(293)/ (1) = 247.8 or about 250 liters
of gas.
So, 1 pound of dry ice, when it "sublimes" (turns to gas) will produce
250 liters of gas, enough to fill 125 2-liter bottles.
I hope this helps!
-Brian
Just so you know.. The results of placing dry ice in a container with water
and closing the top on it... results in being charged with a CLASS B FELONY
for manufacturing a bomb.
My 14 year old son and 2 friends were playing
around with this experiment and was bombarded with the FBI, Homeland
Security, The Bomb Squad and 6 Police Cars. They were playing around with
this in the front yard in open view. Neighbors called police complaining of
sounds like gunshots.
Even though all authorities knew they were playing, they still charged these
juvenile kids with a Class B Felony that will be on their records until they
are 18 years old.
This is apparently a very illegal experiment and obviously know one knows
this.
Charla Mask
Hi!
I've done this experiment at a friends house, when we got dry ice for
the first time. We got wide range of experience from when we exploded
some(not actually some, about 50 actually :D) soda bottles. So we knew
when they would explode and when they were on the border to do so.
I found out that you can put in about any amount of dry ice, not too
much though, but about two small pellets, say 20 grams is enough.
Procedure:
- Put in 10-20 grams of dry ice.
- Close the bottle. If it gets too hard, open the cap a bit. Just let
it fizz for a second or two. Seal it tightly again.
- Repeat step 2 until all the dry ice has sublimated.
- Enjoy your sparkling water! :D
Additional. Add some flavouring! *thumbs up* Try the flavouring from
Soda stream.
Sincerely,
1337Elite.
To expand the "Singing" or "Screaming Spoon" idea - I decided to add a few
different metal items to our dry ice during our experiments.
Wearing thick winter gloves, I pressed a penny, nickel, dime, quarter,
dollar coin, paper clip, and metal scissors to the dry ice. Different
sounds were emitted by different coins, objects. Even the older kids
laughed when I remarked, "I wonder what George Washington will have to say?"
Or, "What does Lincoln think about this?" " I wonder what Sacajawea's voice
sounds like?" The really cool part of this for teachers is that the
students have to listen so closely- without a sound - or they will miss the
noise made - because a paper clip makes such a slight noise that it is hard
to catch. I think we might use a microphone on it next time. Another
thing we did was the classic experiment of using an empty 10 gallon aquarium
with dry ice and hot water --creating the fog that dry ice is so famous
for. Then we shined different light sources into the fog: regular
flashlight, black light, laser pointer, and then we dropped a glow stick
into it. Now take the same tank, dry ice, and water and add Dawn dish
washing soap to it. After the bubbles fill the tank, shine the same lights
listed above into the bubbles. The kids had lots of "OOOs and AHHHHs" for
this effect. The reflection and refraction is different with the bubbles in
there. Shining the lights at different angles and from different sides of
the tank produced different effects- especially the laser pointer. One
more experiment that we did was to freeze a flower. Take a flower with a
lot of petals- like a mum or daisy, etc... Just lay it inside the cooler
with the extra dry ice while you conduct other dry ice experiments. Then
after it has had time to freeze, take it out and remark on the beauty of the
flower right before you smack it against the side of the aquarium. The
petals will shatter into crumbles. Enjoyed your site.
Toni Aldridge
I do a science-is-fun presentation, usually for girl scouts, usually
about 10 years old. I ran across your site looking for some more cool
stuff to show them. I may have to carbonate grapes next time I do the
show. But you barely mentioned my favorite trick - balloon bombs. Pop
bottle bombs are WAY too dangerous, but balloon bombs are fun. It takes
a little less than 1/4 cup of dry ice pellets to explode a 9" balloon.
I put the kids in winter gloves, and have them put the dry ice in the
balloon. The balloon inflates very slowly, slow enough that the kids
can pass it around and feel the balloon as it inflates. When it pops
the dry ice drops, and the balloon fragments flutter not more than a
foot from the site of the explosion. You can speed it up with a heat
gun or hair dryer. I usually hold the balloon with one hand and the
heat gun with the other and have never even gotten stung by the balloon.
I also have them hold the dry ice over a lit votive candle and watch it
go out. I make my fog in a clear 4-cup pyrex measuring cup so the
audience can see the water ice shell that forms on the dry ice.
Jo W.
Here is a picture of a soapy bubble we created between experiments. The
bubble you see is at least 10cm in diameter. We made some warm soapy
water and threw in a large lump of dry ice. Just an awesome display!!!
We would be extremely honoured to see our effort on your great website.
Keep up the cool work!!! (haha - puntastic!!).
From Julian and Anthony
(Post-Doctoral Researchers, Imperial College London)

Brian, I saw on your message board that you hadnt heard of the dent removing
properties of dry ice... I don't know if you know of the others....
Car Dent Removal
Hold a little Dry Ice on a small car dent
and it will reduce the dent without
chipping or cracking the paint.
Keep Mosquitoes Away
Place a block of Dry Ice in your yard
and mosquitoes will be attracted to it,
instead of you and your guests.
Gopher Eradication
The gas that Dry Ice creates (C02) is
heavier than air so it will find its way to
the bottom of gopher nests.
On the Singing Spoon, it might be worth specifying out that you should hold the spoon by the handle.
If you were to directly press the bowl against the dry ice the spoon could freeze to your fingers.
(I did something like that when I was kid, no lasting damage but it was pretty painful).
Popping Film Cans-
I have tried this and was amused by how the children started to try and
make games with this idea. One of
the games was catching the lid when it came back down and that gave me
an idea:
Set the canister on the floor and put the dry ice and very little (a
couple of drops or so) water in with the dry ice, to speed up the sublimation.
Have the adult both put the lid on and watch that the children do not lean over the
container!!!!
Have the (kids, or adults, as in my case) hold their hands and arms
straight out with their hands open and
over the area where the lid will fly up and listen for the "pop" noise
and try and clap their hands together to
catch the lid as it goes up!!!
This was what 2 adult females, 1 adult male, 4 children and myself did
last night for about 2 or 3
hours. The nine year old boy was outdoing all of us!
Thanks for the ideas on your page, hope this idea is a big hit!!!!
I was reading your web page about the accident involving the dry ice
and the loss of the woman's sight. On July 3, 1999
a similar accident happened in my family.
My then three year old son was seriously injured, He lost one of his
eyes, his right thumb was 75% severed and broken,
his left thumb was 50% severed and he had a gash about 4 inches long on
his stomach. I had also never heard of this
and was mortified. My son is now doing wonderful and we are very vocal
about it to let people know what can happen with what
I found out after the fact to be called
"dry ice bombs".
Angela Hinkhouse
I think this is a pretty important issue, as there seems to be much
interest in sealing dry ice into those two-liter soda bottles. If anyone
experiments with dry ice bombs in front of an audience, please stress
the hazards, and the safety precautions one should take: